Cygnus
Proliferator of Blasphemy
The point of a journey is not to arrive.
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 19, 2003 1:29:26 GMT -5
Im going to have to let this one go for now. Sorry there just isnt enough of me to respond to all yall. Meh.. I was so excited about this one too.
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Post by Valvilis on Nov 19, 2003 3:52:20 GMT -5
I just reveiwed the thread, there aren't that many responces to your questions and those there are have a lot of overlap. I'm tempted to think things just didn't go the way you had hoped. Perhaps you had yet another prefab argument but we failed to step in the right direction. While possible, I highly doubt that you just up and realized that your position wasn't very strong and decided against pushing the issue further. Nope, my vote goes for adequate answers being given, but not ones you wanted, so you gave up. Happens all the time, nothing to be embarrassed about, but at least try to be a little more honest with your motivations in the future. In all honesty, only two people replied to your second question... if that's there isn't enough of you to cover that, maybe you should go back to the batter's box for a while and think about it.
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Post by ebonywnd on Nov 19, 2003 8:58:10 GMT -5
Jason, it doesn't seem to me as if Grant is supporting one side over the other. I believe he is just spouting options to see what we think. We have responded in a generally nice manner to him, since he does not seem to want a fight. Couldn't you do the same?
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Post by Valvilis on Nov 19, 2003 9:20:03 GMT -5
Nope. Sorry if I seem like I'm not being a team player, I'm just jumping the gun and saving myself the time. When you see literally thousands of people like this come and go, and each one inevitably ending exactly the same way each time, you can come to recognize what's a sincere attempt and what is not.
At least out more straight-forwardly obnoxious new members have the decency to be honest about who they are. There is a limited chance that "Grant" sincerely doesn't know what he is doing wrong, but, well... I'm skeptical, if you follow me. Even if that is the case, it isn't our responcibility to deal with. He's made it clear on the other threads via evasion, straw-manning, and other tactless methods that he isn't interested debating, he's interested in being admired - and 11 times out of 10, theists do that for one reason and one reason only.
I apologize to you and the rest of the actual members here if you do not like that. If nothing else, dismiss me as the extremist excercising my first amendment right. On the other hand, in the nearly five years I've been doing this, I haven't been wrong yet.
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Cygnus
Proliferator of Blasphemy
The point of a journey is not to arrive.
Posts: 33
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 19, 2003 11:03:53 GMT -5
I hate to dissapoint you v, but it is really a matter of time for me. Responding to the other threads takes alot of focus and energy. The "direction" of this one is perfectly fine. I dont know how else you might think i would have expected it to go. It seems like you think im here to make you all theists v, to convince you that i am right and you are all terribly and foolishly wrong. Im not. I enjoy discussion with intellectual people. I have no intended results for the discussions we have. Like the quote under my name says.. "the point of a journey is not to arrive". The point, of course is to grow, learn, and hopefully become wiser. Dont categorize me with the thousands of Bible thumping zealots you've run into. Thats not my card.
*Just to add, I have not taken a position yet and it is not what you might think V.*
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Cygnus
Proliferator of Blasphemy
The point of a journey is not to arrive.
Posts: 33
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 19, 2003 11:22:27 GMT -5
"At least out more straight-forwardly obnoxious new members have the decency to be honest about who they are."
Who am i then? I dont get it man. Yes, my name is Grant. Yes, I am a philosophy major. No, I dont intend to convert you.
"There is a limited chance that "Grant" sincerely doesn't know what he is doing wrong, but, well... "
Again, with the probabilities of truth... but i have nfi what you are talking about here. If you want to enlighten me in a respectful way I would "sincerely"(your accusations are getting old) appreciate it.
"He's made it clear on the other threads via evasion, straw-manning, and other tactless methods that he isn't interested debating, he's interested in being admired "
embarassing as it is, ill admit i have no idea what strawmanning is. Though i think i could make a reasonable assumption. Fill me in will you? Evasion? ive tried to address every counterpoint you raise. If iyou feel that im evading anything please point it out, ask for clarification .. whatever, but dont accuse me of being decietful. If i wasnt interested in debating i would have absolutely no reason to be here. Your rash skepticism of my intent has blinded you terribly valvilis. And as far as "being admired" goes... thats a real laugh... it would be beyond foolish for me to come here, and "make myself look good" when going into debates where im outnumbered and out thunk. Unlike your previous comment to, i think it was, jamie Running into a "battle" that looks grim, is a perfectly legitimate path of action. How am i supposed to learn anything if i just debate with a bunch of middle school kids?
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Post by Rama967 on Nov 19, 2003 18:43:42 GMT -5
embarassing as it is, ill admit i have no idea what strawmanning is. Though i think i could make a reasonable assumption. Fill me in will you? PHL120, Introduction to logic Learn it, love it, use it. One of the formal fallacies of logic, to commit a straw man fallacy you must first receive an argument, then twist that argument to mean something other than what it actually, then proceed to tear that argument down instead of the one that was actually presented. It sometimes occurs due to honest mistakes (for example, my misinterpretation of your statement in that other thread) but more often than not is a result of either sheer idiocy or malicious intent. The latter most often resulting from politicians.
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Cygnus
Proliferator of Blasphemy
The point of a journey is not to arrive.
Posts: 33
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 19, 2003 20:47:40 GMT -5
Ahh, thank you.
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Post by Valvilis on Nov 19, 2003 22:15:41 GMT -5
As a serious question, is this the first semester of your acedmic endevors?
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Cygnus
Proliferator of Blasphemy
The point of a journey is not to arrive.
Posts: 33
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 19, 2003 23:01:00 GMT -5
yes.
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Post by Ravenlock on Nov 20, 2003 21:28:59 GMT -5
For what its worth, a day late and a dollar short... I've found reading this topic and others you've started to be interesting, Cyg. I would have loved to get in on the replies from the beginning, but I've been soooooo busy the past week or so. Maybe next time. And, btw, it is possible that Ian an IIan could be ALMOST the same - their differences imperceptible <sp?>, but in the scenario you all have been describing, its possible we could still get a false positive if we think that the 2 are the same. Who knows, maybe something entirely beyond control could happen. Maybe IIan has a stomach ache one day. No way to control that out of the possibilities, and it would result in a definately different, if not perceived, IIan. And Jason - dude. At least wait for the shots to be fired. If Cyg is here to attempt a conversion or to lure us into a trap, let him try. You're so the jumpy private who blows the head off of the surrenduring general when he raises his hands. Lets not start WWIII here. ~Roger
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Post by Valvilis on Nov 20, 2003 23:21:49 GMT -5
Roger,
I said earlier, he either was a liar with something up his sleeve, or he has no idea what he's talking about. Neither really seems acceptable, and I'd probably not be talking to him anymore... BUT then Magnus came back and made me realise how bad a troll can be, now I appreciate that Cyg at least pretends to keep it civil, and I'm currently entertaining the idea that the less of the two evils is true and that Cyg just has a lot left to learn about these topics. Time will tell.
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