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Post by Valvilis on Feb 12, 2004 11:13:03 GMT -5
A) It's the punching bag.
B) He's already shown himself to be a flake.
C) Go way back and you'll see I tried the debate thing when he first starting trolling; many of us did. It obviously had no effect.
I'm simply saying, I had my run of optimism and it's past. Unless he can mannage to first undo everything that has detracted from his legitimacy and follow that by doing something to win the conception that he might be capable of debate, then he'lll remain just another apple on the ground (one I witnessed fall to the ground personally).
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Post by profdunebastard on Feb 12, 2004 17:54:34 GMT -5
Magonus-calling you Magneto was more of an extrapolation on the similarities of the names than actually thinking the two had identical origins. I'm a pretty huge X-man fan, and loved the movies. I enjoyed McKellen's portrayal Of Magneto, although I think the Magneto of the comics is more hard, dark and badass- McKellan's Magneto was treacherous and dangerous to be sure, while retaining the dignity Magneto always seemed to earn, but his power and anger were lacking. It was not the Magneto that dropped battleships on people, ruled Asteroid M , brought peace of the sword to Genosha, tortured Warren Worthington III 's parents just to draw him out, and ripped the esteemed James Howlet's adamantium from his skeleton. I wasn't expecting any of these events of course, movie renditions of comics need to differ from the comics to work, they exist to me, as similar yet different, as paralell or sub-universies to the standard Marvel Universe lexicion.. But I do think the danger and power should have been magnified-the Magneto I know would have shot those cops instead of letting the guns fall. I am satisfied greatly with the movies nonetheless and hope that Gambit, juggernaut, the sentinels, and/or the full furious vengeance of Dark Pheonix appear in some incarnation. And more Collossus.
Ian"Hear me X-men! No longer am I the woman you knew! I am fire and life incarnate, now and forever! I... AM....PHEONIX!" Thompson
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Post by the anti-myrmidon on Feb 12, 2004 22:07:41 GMT -5
Ian"Hear me X-men! No longer am I the women you knew! I am fire and life iNcarnate, now and forever! I... AM....PHEONIX!" Thompson Uh....Ian? You're no longer the woman I knew? That is a rather disconcerting thought for a number of reasons.
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Post by Valvilis on Feb 13, 2004 8:50:43 GMT -5
Is it? Is it really?
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Post by ebonywnd on Feb 13, 2004 9:53:44 GMT -5
We're supposed to be freethinkers here, Susan.
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Post by profdunebastard on Feb 13, 2004 11:27:16 GMT -5
I was simply quoting one of the most memorable, gut wrenching, and well written pieces of literature of the fabled Claremont/Byrne days, the revered Dark Pheonix saga. It's not my fault Jean Grey* delivered the best line, not my fault the writers made me sympathize with her so much. So what if I cried when she nobally sacrificed herself, at the tender age of 19, in order to save the world from the monster she was becoming. If I had to be compared with a woman, I'd be honored for it to be her.
*technically this wasn't even Jean Grey, it was the cosmic pheonix force in the psychicly created body of Jean Grey, complete with personality and memories. Upon hearing the telepathic cry of help from the real Jean Grey on a mission in space, the cosmic entiity known as the Pheonix force, guardian of the M'Krann crystal and all life, saved her, took a portion of her psyche to gain her memories and personality,, and placed her in a pod at the body of a bay to recover from her ordeal and the radiation poisoning she recieved. Human emotion eventually corrupted the powerful yet naive Pheonix. After her manipulation at the hands of Mastermind and the Hellfire club, she went batshit insane, ko'd the X-men easily(the best part was when Collossus picked a tree up to hit her, but she turned it to solid gold and turned his powers off and crushed him under it), then flew into outer space to eat a star for the hell of it. With the help of Xavier, she gained control oif her dark side, only to be tried by the galactic Shi'ar empire for genocide of several planets for the sun eating. Her friends attempted to save her from destruction by opting to fight for her freedom, an obscure shi'ar law that condemned the allies of the accused to the same fate if they fail. To save her friends' lives and the universe, the Pheonix, fighting madness, sacrificed itself . Years later, when she was healed and the portion of her psyche came back from the ether to her, the real Jean Grey came back
Just thought you should know, cause knowing is half the battle.
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Post by ebonywnd on Feb 13, 2004 12:19:08 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by profdunebastard on Feb 13, 2004 13:06:29 GMT -5
I see you are impressed. As well you should be.
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Post by the anti-myrmidon on Feb 13, 2004 15:11:16 GMT -5
We're supposed to be freethinkers here, Susan. Laura, I found the thought disconcerting because I had never known Ian to be a woman, thus the thought was rather odd. The possibility of a sex-change operation was not the issue, but rather the idea that I had known Ian before only, as a woman. In which case, I would have expected some acknowledgement of that former acquaintance when I met the (currently?!) male Ian at an MSUFA meeting last year. But there was none, thus making the quote disconcerting. As for the whole X-Men thing...I've never read the comics, but I loved the cartoon (haven't seen much of the new one...just the older one). I didn't know that Colossus was the one who tried using the tree, as Rogue was given that scene in the cartoon. I think I still have that whole saga on tape somewhere at home.
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Magonus
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Post by Magonus on Feb 13, 2004 15:34:06 GMT -5
I don't know, I always kind of liked Magneto better when he wasn't as evil. Sure, he would do whatever it took to accomplish his ends, but his ends seemed a bit nobler then. It made him more distinctive, rather than just another bad guy. And while I don't think we'll see Juggernaut in X3, fledgling (read: not obscenely numerous) sentinels would definitely kick some ass.
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Post by ebonywnd on Feb 13, 2004 16:00:43 GMT -5
Ian, not so much impressed as....um....how to put this delicately....overwhelmed at your knowledge of X-men. Susan, I was being facetious. Though you probably realized that already.
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Post by profdunebastard on Feb 13, 2004 16:15:45 GMT -5
I agree with you Mag, and most of my issues with Magneto were resolved in the second film. I love that Magneto is not evil, evil, just an extremist going to any lengths for his goal. And I agree that we probably will not see Juggernaut, just wishful thinking on my part. And yes, sentinels would sooo kick ass. I find it likely too: maybe a result of some registration act being passed-I wonder what the President was prepared to announce to the country before Xavier convinced him not to.... Susan-I love the old cartoon, haven't seen it in a while, but it is interesting to look back at all the storylines that actually involved different characters in the comics. The new cartoon is ok, there are some aspects that I like, but generally it is silly and hanna barbaresque. I just like that it drops alot of names and hints to the comics and is kind of well drawn, although I have some stylistic issues.
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