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Post by Prothonotary on Feb 22, 2004 11:35:06 GMT -5
Nader's running for president!  Bush won't even have to campaign now. |
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Post by Seany-D on Feb 22, 2004 12:11:19 GMT -5
My knee-jerk reaction is to agree with you, but will the American (liberal) voting public commit the same mistake they made four years ago in voting for Nader? I did then, but I won't now. Getting Bush out is more important than expressing my discontent with the two-party setup which is currently in place.
Also, could this merely be a way to buy concessions from the Dems on Nader issues (environment, corporate accountability, etc.) in exchange for backing off his desire to run?
The scariest part is that Bush has MEGA amounts of money, just like 4 years ago. Rove is beginning to attack Kerry for taking lobbyist money, but that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Sean "I could run for president in 2012" Davis
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Post by Rama on Feb 22, 2004 12:31:10 GMT -5
I always get irritated when people blame the green voters for the outcome of the last election.
Lets get something straight. Nader didn't lose the election for Gore. GORE lost the election for Gore. When we all know that the popular vote doesn't mean anything anyway, and when the votes are close enough that people would think the Green party was sabotauging the Dems, it's not the fault of the minority third party, or the people voting their conscience. It's the fault of Al Gore and the Dems, who had exponentially more money and influence (than the greens) but still couldn't manage to overwhelm Bush.
I blame the democrats for their failure. And I don't beleive that if Nader hadn't been running that Bush wouldn't still be in office.
He didn't win the election in the first place.
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Post by Prothonotary on Feb 22, 2004 21:47:33 GMT -5
My pessimistic side is showing...
I don't necessarily like our 2 party system either, but 3rd parties just don't seem to work very well.
I sincerely hope that Bush loses this election, but I'm not confident that Kerry or Edwards can beat him.
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Post by Ravenlock on Feb 22, 2004 23:30:40 GMT -5
I'm with Sean and Heather on this one. I also hate the 2 party system, but now is not the time to express discontent for it. All non-repubs needs to unite.
I was feeling good about the election - somewhat - until today. Frellin Nader.
~Roger
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Post by profdunebastard on Feb 23, 2004 0:04:54 GMT -5
Why would he run if he knows he'll lose unless he is trying some extortion scam-he runs or the dems gives into his green friendly demands of green partiness.
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Post by Dafizman on Feb 23, 2004 0:42:46 GMT -5
I think this is probably going to make many people's opinion of Nader drop significantly. I mean, in the last election, most who voted for Nader understood two premises. Well, the sensable ones did. They believed, first off, that Gore was going to win, and didn't need they're votes. Second, it was common knowledge that there was no way Nader was going to dark horse in and win the election. If you really believed he was going to then you were far to out of touch with reality at the time, and shouldn't have been allowed to vote (exagerating... a little). Most were voting for him under the impression that Gore was gonna win, and maybe Nader could pick up an extra 5% of the vote here and there. This was Naders real goal, as it would have given him federal funding ( a nice chunk ) for this years election, and established the Green Party as a real 3rd.
However, both these assumptions proved false. Gore lost.... (ok he didn't lose the election, but you know what I mean, so don't argue w/ me here, this is not my current point) I mean, Gore didn't become president (thats better), and Nader didn't get 5% he wanted. Sad story all around, good guys lose, cue music from ending of Empire Strikes Back, ect.
OK, nows the time for the good guys to make they're comeback right? OK, we don't have Clarke, but you know, thats not important, whats important is getting Bush, Dick, and Colon out of there. Thats pretty much on all the non-repubs minds (not to mention some of the repubs I know).
Nader dosn't realize that now is NOT THE TIME for his 5% bid. I think he's gonna find a bit of a backlash from former supporters of his for his "interfearing" this time.
If I agree with this or not, thats another matter. But the fact is, I think Nader dosn't realize that he might be coming in between two charging bulls right now... er a charging elephant and donkey... well you know what I mean.
Dan "just my prediction, I like Nader too" Olds
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Post by Atsuko73 on Feb 23, 2004 9:21:03 GMT -5
I have a T-shirt my friends made in high school that says "it isn't easy being green" and has a picture of Nadar on it, and something about the 2000 election... It's kind of silly. Anywho...I think (like most of you) what he's doing now is icky for him and the democrats. I thought he had more sense than that, it's kind of disappointing....  |
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Post by Rama on Feb 24, 2004 14:57:00 GMT -5
I say let him go ahead and run. He's not going to be getting very many votes.
The ABB camp has a very solid foundation, and the people who'd be voting green anyhow would be doing it no matter what. The reason he got so many votes as he did in the last election was because he was stealing away democrats who were willing to vote with their principles in mind because obviously, nobody thought Bush had a fuckin chance.
I don't think it'll be a problem. All of us who were willing to toss the vote on single issues are smart enough to realize that the stakes are too high for this round.
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